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פטר חמור at 08:25, 14 October 2024

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 The word פטר is also related to another term in halacha: Patur (פטור) which means "exempt" of liability to punishment though an action is forbidden.
-Simon's mission to the [[Hellenes|Hillonim]] was later headed by Gamaliel's Benjaminite student Saul of Tarsus the Pharisee of the Manumitted Edomean-Ishmaelite Synagogue and whose efforts in Simon's direction were organized into the New Testament by Peter's Shaliakh [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] with whom Peter is often confused. The Marcionites were the failed result of Paul's mission among the Mandaeans.
+Simon's mission to the [[Hellenes|Hillonim]] was later headed by Gamaliel's Benjaminite student Saul of Tarsus the Pharisee of the Manumitted Edomean-Ishmaelite Synagogue and whose efforts in Simon's direction were organized into [[the 29 Evangelion texts]] by Peter's Shaliakh [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] with whom Peter is often confused. The Marcionites were the failed result of Paul's mission among the Mandaeans.
 Simon held the chair of Av Beit Din in Antioch which was established there under Antioch's Governor Theophilius on February 22nd 35/36CE where disciples were first called Christians, and remained there until the year 42.
-Historical details of his fight against a heresiarch are confirmed by corroborations that can be found between the Teliya and the Acts of Peter.
+Historical details of his fight against the Notzrut heresiarch are confirmed by corroborations that can be found between the Teliya and the Acts of Peter.
 =Compare with=

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 רבינו שמחה, תלמידו של רש"י, מביא את דבריו בחיבורו – "מחזור ויטרי"(מחזור ויטרי, שם, עמ' 282, והערה ה.), ובלשונו:
-:"ויש שאומרים על אותו [[נבל שמעון]] פטר חמור שהיא טעות של רומה יסדו אותה תפילה [נשמת]. ושאר תפילות כשהיה על הסלע. וחס ושלום שלא תהיה זאת בישראל. וכל האומר דבר זה, כשיבנה בית המקדש יביא חטאת שמנה".
+:"ויש שאומרים על אותו נבל '''שמעון פטר חמור''' שהיא טעות של רומה יסדו אותה תפילה [נשמת]. ושאר תפילות כשהיה על הסלע. וחס ושלום שלא תהיה זאת בישראל. וכל האומר דבר זה, כשיבנה בית המקדש יביא חטאת שמנה".
 "And some say about that [Prayer], Simon Peter Hamor is Nabal -which is a mistake of Rome- who established that prayer [Neshmat] and other prayers when he was on the rock. But Chas Veshalom that such will not be (said) in Israel. And whoever says this, when the Temple is built, he will bring a fat offering."

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 :"ויש שאומרים על אותו [[נבל שמעון]] פטר חמור שהיא טעות של רומה יסדו אותה תפילה [נשמת]. ושאר תפילות כשהיה על הסלע. וחס ושלום שלא תהיה זאת בישראל. וכל האומר דבר זה, כשיבנה בית המקדש יביא חטאת שמנה".
-"And some say about that [Prayer], Nabal is Simon Peter Hamor -which is a mistake of Rome- who established that prayer [Neshmat] and other prayers when he was on the rock. But Chas Veshalom that such will not be (said) in Israel. And whoever says this, when the Temple is built, he will bring a fat offering."
+"And some say about that [Prayer], Simon Peter Hamor is Nabal -which is a mistake of Rome- who established that prayer [Neshmat] and other prayers when he was on the rock. But Chas Veshalom that such will not be (said) in Israel. And whoever says this, when the Temple is built, he will bring a fat offering."
 "[[Petter Chamor]]" is actually an office which has been held by several people called Simon since '''Simon Kefa'''. It is therefore sometimes difficult to identify when the term Petter Chamor refers to '''Simon Peter''' or to [[Simon Cippah]] or [[Simon Kalpus]] or [[Shimon Ben Kipa]].

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 Vetzaruch Iyun (צריך עיון), as elsewhere in [https://www.sefaria.org/Machzor_Vitry%2C_Laws_of_Rosh_HaShanah.325?lang=bi Machzor Vitri 325] it states that Shimon Kipa authored the Piyutim of Seder Avoda said on Yom Kippur. Shimon also authored some Yom Kippur liturgy and others while in a cave according to the [[Machzor Vitri]] (p. 282 Mahadurah Makitzei Nirdamim) which also confirms his authorship of [[Nishmas]].
-A mistake that '''Simon Peter Chamor''' was "Nabal" is referred to by Rabbeinu Simcha (a student of Rashi) who warned:
+The mistaken belief that '''Simon Peter Chamor''' was "Nabal" is referred to by Rabbeinu Simcha (a student of Rashi) who warned:
 רבינו שמחה, תלמידו של רש"י, מביא את דבריו בחיבורו – "מחזור ויטרי"(מחזור ויטרי, שם, עמ' 282, והערה ה.), ובלשונו:

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−	'''Simon Ceiphas''' or '''Simon Petter Chamor''' (d.65CE), often confused with [[St Jude]], [[Simon Kalpus]] or [[Simon Cippah]], was ~~a Jew~~ just like John & Paul "who purposely infected their culture in order to sway the Notzri faith away from Judaism into [[Messianic Noahism]]. They themselves were not heretics and did so for the benefit of the Jewish people".<ref>Rashi Avoda Zara 10a but brought in Dikdukei Sofrim Avoda Zara p. 12 footnote 9</ref>	+	'''Simon Ceiphas''' or '''Simon Petter Chamor''' (d.65CE), often confused with [[St Jude]], [[Simon Kalpus]] or [[Simon Cippah]], was one of the Jews just like John & Paul "who purposely infected their culture in order to sway the Notzri faith away from Judaism into [[Messianic Noahism]]. They themselves were not heretics and did so for the benefit of the Jewish people".<ref>Rashi Avoda Zara 10a but brought in Dikdukei Sofrim Avoda Zara p. 12 footnote 9</ref>

	Rabbi Shimon Halevi Ish Horowitz in his comments on the [[Machzor Vitry]] (ויטרי לרבינו שמחה, יוצא לאור ע"י ר' שמעון הלוי איש הורוויץ, סי' שכ"ה, הערה ה, עמ'362, הוצאת "א" מכון להוצאת ספרים, ירושלים, תשכ"ז.) wrote that Rabbeinu Tam said Simon Ceiphas never believed in Notzrut but did everything he did (against Ben Stada) for Heaven's sake.		Rabbi Shimon Halevi Ish Horowitz in his comments on the [[Machzor Vitry]] (ויטרי לרבינו שמחה, יוצא לאור ע"י ר' שמעון הלוי איש הורוויץ, סי' שכ"ה, הערה ה, עמ'362, הוצאת "א" מכון להוצאת ספרים, ירושלים, תשכ"ז.) wrote that Rabbeinu Tam said Simon Ceiphas never believed in Notzrut but did everything he did (against Ben Stada) for Heaven's sake.

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	"[[Petter Chamor]]" is actually an office which has been held by several people called Simon since '''Simon Kefa'''. It is therefore sometimes difficult to identify when the term Petter Chamor refers to '''Simon Peter''' or to [[Simon Cippah]] or [[Simon Kalpus]] or [[Shimon Ben Kipa]].		"[[Petter Chamor]]" is actually an office which has been held by several people called Simon since '''Simon Kefa'''. It is therefore sometimes difficult to identify when the term Petter Chamor refers to '''Simon Peter''' or to [[Simon Cippah]] or [[Simon Kalpus]] or [[Shimon Ben Kipa]].
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		+	The word פטר is also related to another term in halacha: Patur (פטור) which means "exempt" of liability to punishment though an action is forbidden.

	Simon's mission to the [[Hellenes\|Hillonim]] was later headed by Gamaliel's Benjaminite student Saul of Tarsus the Pharisee of the Manumitted Edomean-Ishmaelite Synagogue and whose efforts in Simon's direction were organized into the New Testament by Peter's Shaliakh [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] with whom Peter is often confused. The Marcionites were the failed result of Paul's mission among the Mandaeans.		Simon's mission to the [[Hellenes\|Hillonim]] was later headed by Gamaliel's Benjaminite student Saul of Tarsus the Pharisee of the Manumitted Edomean-Ishmaelite Synagogue and whose efforts in Simon's direction were organized into the New Testament by Peter's Shaliakh [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] with whom Peter is often confused. The Marcionites were the failed result of Paul's mission among the Mandaeans.

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 "And some say about that [Prayer], Nabal is Simon Peter Hamor -which is a mistake of Rome- who established that prayer [Neshmat] and other prayers when he was on the rock. But Chas Veshalom that such will not be (said) in Israel. And whoever says this, when the Temple is built, he will bring a fat offering."
-It seems that "Petter Chamor" is actually an office which has been held by several people called Simon since [[Simon Kefa]]. It is therefore sometimes difficult to identify when the term Petter Chamor refers to Simon Cippah or to [[Simon Peter]] and [[Simon Kalpus]] and [[Shimon Ben Kipa]].
+"[[Petter Chamor]]" is actually an office which has been held by several people called Simon since '''Simon Kefa'''. It is therefore sometimes difficult to identify when the term Petter Chamor refers to '''Simon Peter''' or to [[Simon Cippah]] and [[Simon Kalpus]] and [[Shimon Ben Kipa]].
 Simon's mission to the [[Hellenes|Hillonim]] was later headed by Gamaliel's Benjaminite student Saul of Tarsus the Pharisee of the Manumitted Edomean-Ishmaelite Synagogue and whose efforts in Simon's direction were organized into the New Testament by Peter's Shaliakh [[Shimeon HaKalpus]] with whom Peter is often confused. The Marcionites were the failed result of Paul's mission among the Mandaeans.

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−	'''Simon Ceiphas''' (d.65CE), often confused with [[St Jude]], [[Simon Kalpus]] or [[Simon Cippah]], was a Jew just like John & Paul "who purposely infected their culture in order to sway the Notzri faith away from Judaism into [[Messianic Noahism]]. They themselves were not heretics and did so for the benefit of the Jewish people".<ref>Rashi Avoda Zara 10a but brought in Dikdukei Sofrim Avoda Zara p. 12 footnote 9</ref>	+	'''Simon Ceiphas''' or '''Simon Petter Chamor''' (d.65CE), often confused with [[St Jude]], [[Simon Kalpus]] or [[Simon Cippah]], was a Jew just like John & Paul "who purposely infected their culture in order to sway the Notzri faith away from Judaism into [[Messianic Noahism]]. They themselves were not heretics and did so for the benefit of the Jewish people".<ref>Rashi Avoda Zara 10a but brought in Dikdukei Sofrim Avoda Zara p. 12 footnote 9</ref>

	Rabbi Shimon Halevi Ish Horowitz in his comments on the [[Machzor Vitry]] (ויטרי לרבינו שמחה, יוצא לאור ע"י ר' שמעון הלוי איש הורוויץ, סי' שכ"ה, הערה ה, עמ'362, הוצאת "א" מכון להוצאת ספרים, ירושלים, תשכ"ז.) wrote that Rabbeinu Tam said Simon Ceiphas never believed in Notzrut but did everything he did (against Ben Stada) for Heaven's sake.		Rabbi Shimon Halevi Ish Horowitz in his comments on the [[Machzor Vitry]] (ויטרי לרבינו שמחה, יוצא לאור ע"י ר' שמעון הלוי איש הורוויץ, סי' שכ"ה, הערה ה, עמ'362, הוצאת "א" מכון להוצאת ספרים, ירושלים, תשכ"ז.) wrote that Rabbeinu Tam said Simon Ceiphas never believed in Notzrut but did everything he did (against Ben Stada) for Heaven's sake.